EU: search engines have to retain all traffic

[hoijui]

As it works more efficiently then "to fight terrorism", it is this time "to fight child pornography".

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site ... ewsLang=en

i wonder how much publicity this will get, as it is very important, in my eyes.

[zwzsg]

Btw, how does a search engine match a search with a person?

[Jazcash]

I hope this won't affect my hentai viewing experience.

[AF]

Wasn't this hidden in a bill on an unrelated subject that was handed around with emotionally provocative images by charity people?

[Machete234]

I hope this won't affect my hentai viewing experience.

No you will just go to prison, prison ist outsourced to china were they can torture you.
Dont worry.

EU parliament are shitheads anyway nobody likes them.
Its a miracle how could this happen that a few idiots make laws for all of europe.
Like "Ohhh non smoking...blabla" and now you cant smoke anywhere anymore.

ps I always vote commies for eu parliament

apropos child fuckers
in belgium 20 witnesses in the dutroux case died mysterically
so politicians and pedophiles are on the same team.
Now they tell us child porn rings use google.

[Panda]

As it works more efficiently then "to fight terrorism", it is this time "to fight child pornography".

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site ... ewsLang=en

i wonder how much publicity this will get, as it is very important, in my eyes.

I would hope that people are well informed and know what's going on. Otherwise it just looks as though law-abiding citizens' freedom and rights are just being taken away for no good reason.

[SwiftSpear]

They can't really prove anything about the contents of your computer from your search engine quarries anyways.

Maby they will watchlist anyone who searches "child porn" or "loli" or something... but even then, alot of what they'll be getting is people doing research and stuff...

Child porn laws internationally are pretty crappy anyways. Many countries will convict for the possession of legally drawn and published Japanese cartoons. How does that protect children?

[zwzsg]

Child porn laws internationally are pretty crappy anyways. Many countries will convict for the possession of legally drawn and published Japanese cartoons. How does that protect children?

For most crimes, you can only be convicted after commiting it. For exemple, you can think about murdering your step-mother all you want, as long as you don't act on your fantasy, you're clean.

For pedophily, merely thinking about it is a crime.






Anyway, of course that kind of law won't protect children, but children are just an excuse, it's far harder to oppose a law that claim "to protect our children" than a law about spying and building records on every citizen like they were criminals. Then, I'm not sure people understand the importance of privacy anymore, I've seen people saying in good faith that it's okay to stand (metaphoricallly) naked before authority, as only bad guys would have something to hide.

Otherwise it just looks as though law-abiding citizens' freedom and rights are just being taken away for no good reason.

Ha! Panda is leftish child molester! BURN HER!!

[hoijui]

I've seen people saying in good faith that it's okay to stand (metaphoricallly) naked before authority, as only bad guys would have something to hide.

That is 50%+ of humanity, or 90% over here.

how it technically works:
the search engine stores which IP did which search at what time. this can be connected to you via the ISP, which has to store which IP was used by which user at what time for 1000 years or so already.

[Panda]

Child porn laws internationally are pretty crappy anyways. Many countries will convict for the possession of legally drawn and published Japanese cartoons. How does that protect children?

For most crimes, you can only be convicted after commiting it. For exemple, you can think about murdering your step-mother all you want, as long as you don't act on your fantasy, you're clean.

For pedophily, merely thinking about it is a crime.

I don't think that people (guardians of children or children) are properly educated on how to get away from pedophiles or child molesters. We need self-defense seminars.

Anyway, of course that kind of law won't protect children, but children are just an excuse, it's far harder to oppose a law that claim "to protect our children" than a law about spying and building records on every citizen like they were criminals. Then, I'm not sure people understand the importance of privacy anymore, I've seen people saying in good faith that it's okay to stand (metaphoricallly) naked before authority, as only bad guys would have something to hide.

I agree and I've seen people say in good faith that it's ok to stand (metaphorically) naked before an authority too, but this is not a nude beach (metaphore as well) which is why privacy is important.

Otherwise it just looks as though law-abiding citizens' freedom and rights are just being taken away for no good reason.

Ha! Panda is leftish child molester! BURN HER!!

Zwzsg is a witch! BURN HIM!

[Caydr]

Give all children guns, problem solved.

[hoijui]

I don't think that people (guardians of children or children) are properly educated on how to get away from pedophiles or child molesters. We need self-defense seminars.

.. that is exactly what we need, so every time a man treats a child like a human being (eg: says "hi" when passing by, instead of ignoring), that is considered a possible start of molestation, and the whole horde of kids playing together there will start kicking him in the nuts.
it is EXACTLY the same thing that is done with "terrorism" already. STOP pushing it please!

the right way to solve this, is to think about why there are people getting pedophiles. of course you could say, some part of it may be genetically, and nobody can prove you absolutely wrong there, but i am sure that it is to mal-treatment of them, eg. in childhood in 95+%, which in the end, is the fault of the whole society, in most cases, as when it did not do the crime as a whole, it at least did not help preventing/stopping it. there are always signs, which are just easier to dismiss then care for and go after.. and if it is done, it may be done wrongly often too.
or in short: always think about your personal insufficiency for the matter

(btw, that is what AF just said in the post above. i just said it in a non-hidden way)

[Panda]

I don't think that people (guardians of children or children) are properly educated on how to get away from pedophiles or child molesters. We need self-defense seminars.

.. that is exactly what we need, so every time a man treats a child like a human being (eg: says "hi" when passing by, instead of ignoring), that is considered a possible start of molestation, and the whole horde of kids playing together there will start kicking him in the nuts.
it is EXACTLY the same thing that is done with "terrorism" already. STOP pushing it please!

Ignorance such as what you have just displayed in your post is the reason why we have problems like pedophiles and people decent people having their rights taken away. Self-defense seminars does not mean that children should be taught to go around kicking every man who says hi to them in the nuts. That would just be stupid because a child isn't likely to be able to really defend him or herself against a grown man anyway simply due to a lack of strength. The purpose of a self-defense seminar against pedophiles is to educate people on how to non-violently address the issue so confuse what I suggested to be the same thing that is what is being done with terrorism. Do you even know how to non-violently address the issue or how a pedophile thinks, because from the looks of it, you don't and therefore are as lacking in the ability to address this issue as most people are.

the right way to solve this, is to think about why there are people getting pedophiles. of course you could say, some part of it may be genetically, and nobody can prove you absolutely wrong there, but i am sure that it is to mal-treatment of them, eg. in childhood in 95+%, which in the end, is the fault of the whole society, in most cases, as when it did not do the crime as a whole, it at least did not help preventing/stopping it. there are always signs, which are just easier to dismiss then care for and go after.. and if it is done, it may be done wrongly often too.

You're right about it being difficult to determine exactly what causes any individual to become a pedophile. However, most people who are molested or abused as a child do not become pedophiles. I've met plenty of people who were abused as children and they are not pedophiles. They don't even want to talk about pedophiles because they're frightened and many of them feel like them want to hurt pedophiles. Either way, most people, whether they were molested as a child or not, and even many mental health professionals don't want to go near them at all because of their disgust with how they are.

or in short: always think about your personal insufficiency for the matter

In conclusion, I'm not insufficient on the matter at all. Think about your own ignorance before you run around trying to scare other people with your uninformed conclusions and accusing other people (especially victims of abuse) of being inadequate.

(btw, that is what AF just said in the post above. i just said it in a non-hidden way)

Don't try to put words into AF's mouth and act as though you know exactly what he's thinking. You're not a mind reader and mind reading does not exist. AF can think for himself.

[Caydr]

Q: If this is an EU rule, doesn't that mean it only applies to EU search engines? And is therefore invalid, since everyone uses (US-based) Google?

Just a bunch of douchebags trying to get re-elected by appealing to the dumbest common denominator, like the Toronto mayor who's certain that by banning handguns there will no longer be gun crime.

[hoijui]

google already does that anyway...

[AF]

EU politicians are generally incompetent because the populations of these countries tend to ignore EU elections and focus on national politics without realising the implications, as such, allsorts of racists and predjudiced people get in, either because of voter apathy, or because the minority of followers votes enmasse for them but the majority abstains.

Coupled again with the fact that normally its seen as a joke by some parties so dodgy ministers get sidelined by being pushed into an MEP role.

You can see the problems when you have MEPs who dont scrutinize and read the bills entirely and get manipulated and dont do anything when they realise, or MEPs that stand up and say horrible, horrible things, that are then clapped and accepted, things that are downright racist, homophobic, antisemitic, and fly in the face of womens rights and personal freedoms.

This is why Britain has an opt out on EU rules.

[PicassoCT]

a member of the german bundestag once stated: In the evening, when everybody is tired in parlament, we get all those Europeanlawstuff, that the party agreed upon long before, so we just sit there, the lawnumber is called, we raise our hand, thats about it.



Guess even loosing your freedom can be boring. Problem is, i think the silentmovie generationclash between intertubenatives and oldgen realworlddwellers (which most of the politicans still are)

[Machete234]

Youre telling me that politicians should speak on youtube instead of television?
So that they can reach people with a lower attention span.
Idiocrazy?

Do you even know how to non-violently address the issue or how a pedophile thinks

Do you know how to adress the issue when a guy drags a kid into his car without kicking him in the nuts?
What is the non violent way tell your children to not take candy from strangers?

[Panda]

Do you even know how to non-violently address the issue or how a pedophile thinks

Do you know how to adress the issue when a guy drags a kid into his car without kicking him in the nuts?
What is the non violent way tell your children to not take candy from strangers?

You simply tell them in a very straight forward and calm way that if a stranger offers them candy to yell "No!", to run (not walk) away, and find help.

As far as trying to prevent them from being dragged into a car, you should tell them to walk in groups if they have to walk home from school, never alone, not to get close to a car or close to the street. If a car pulls up next to them they should scream for help and run to a safe place (This goes for women who don't want to be dragged into a car and raped too). Someone should also teach them where they can go for help. Children who are old enough to walk home from school (I used to do this and was friends with the police officers) can be taught to do these things. If they can't do any of these things then they need a chaperon (like police officers). Citizens can also organize neighborhood watches if they like.

I know that these suggestions may not work in all situations or in all areas, but you do the best that you can. If you have any further suggestions or unique situations, feel free to contribute. No one said that I had to do all of the talking, I certainly can't think of every possible scenario that could occur (I think that my suggestions cover some basic ones, though), and and surely you can think of some things on your own.

Have you seriously never heard of anything like what I've suggested?

[SwiftSpear]

I think people don't really choose their sexual interests. I think most people have some sexual interests that are dangerous or taboo. I think most people will never get beyond the curiosity stage in terms of acting on those interests, and thus I believe that the vast vast majority of people with pedophilia tenancies are both fairly normal, and not a danger to society in any way, even if they've been dabbling in child porn, and especially not if the creation of that porn never involved an actual human child.

It's like saying basketball players maliciously enslave Chinese children to manufacture their evil Nike sneakers. The far distant end consumer, I think, should have very very little responsibility for the actions of the producers.

That being said, western culture loves this kind of thing. It's the whole reason we have the war on drugs.