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Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 25 May 2010, 14:52
by PicassoCT
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 28 May 2010, 19:27
by PicassoCT
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 28 May 2010, 20:51
by Panda
Why didn't you mention any views about these links?
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 30 May 2010, 09:54
by PicassoCT
Sorry, Panda, what do you mean by that? Did you ment Re-views, like i saw it, it was so cool, i laughed and cried, and never tried again?
Advice would be nice.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 31 May 2010, 03:21
by Panda
I mean your opinion.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 31 May 2010, 14:14
by PicassoCT
because there was none existining at the moment, i was diggesting what i read, i was not sure about many things, everything flows, everything goes, i was a little emotional stormsailin from that martyrermadressa of TED, thats pretty bad circumstances to state a opinion. Still not reall ready, i will let it stew some moar.
I think, as always the current technical evil overlord "Steve Get a Jobs" is overrated, it just a human passion to project fear of change, your struggling with technology, and a bad day in general onto the warchieftain of the village.
I found Jamie Lee Hamilton to be a interesting character, but i find it hard to imagine how life on her/his slice of cake tastes.
Mubarak is pretty boring, especially if you consider the succesor-choices, that would be a) a sort of democratic elected taliban b) the military or c) the son, always, always the son. I would bet on b), including a little civil war of a vs. b, but i would b suprised if a suddenly take a stride to the enlightmentside.
Finally the gated comunity web: It was unavoidable, the digital rift, dividing between OS-Comunitys/Companys, between digitalNativs/Immigrannys, was so inviting, somebody had to built a Geo on that spot.
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/kultur/a ... 14683.html
A german article over the culture of not-responsible that has grown all over the western world (in this case shown on the example Oilleak in America, but you can easily see it at work in europe too, for example by simply asking: How were european goverments prepared to react, if the oilplatform in the northsea (who was nearly at the exact same situation as its gulf-of-mexico-sister, just had some dumb luck)?)
And you will find no preparations, no scenarios, no plans, just the very limited futurehorizon of democracy and the corruption of nearly stateowned oilconcerns. My apologies for any non-german speakers, but i dont think i could translate this article.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 08 Jun 2010, 22:08
by PicassoCT
And again its Tuesday:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/portada/ ... spor_7/Tes
The usually visonary stuff, mixxed with a little realism, sorry spanish recipe only. :)
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/ ... t-history/
Art is stuck, that sums it up.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... e-history/
In the right corner, the poles, in the left corner the jews, its gonna be a hell of a infight, and here is the referee, AAAAaaaadolf. Sorry, that sucks, you dont make jokes over such tragedys, but if you watch how people can be played against each other, you just lose it.
Facebookfounders history: YAAAWWWWN on the havard lawn.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n11/stephen-burt/always-on
Thats about it, guess i skipped the best parts, but who cares, and has the time for the whailingwall of text, here you go.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 09 Jun 2010, 03:31
by Argh
I liked the post about art. Really unimpressed with most of the "serious" people in the "high art" world these days.
Most of the really decent art can be found online in places like Deviant, imo- at the very least, that's where to look at the future.
The problem with most of the "high art" is the buyers' total disconnect, and willingness to lay down cash, for utter crap devoid of any greater purpose.
The last few trips to my local art museum have been grave disappointments for me. We've gone from shows of "blot on paper" to self-absorbed nonsense, like "photo of a reflection of myself in this gallery looking at blot on paper", where the writing next to the painting / sculpture is (moderately) more intellectually stimulating than the work itself. I really think that the High Art world is in a phase where we're still looking at the art of pre-Web, pre-tech people who have been banking on their rich, pre-Web, pre-tech patrons, and I will be glad to see it end.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 09 Jun 2010, 03:59
by AF
Please go watch Lady GaGa Bad Romance, it is heavily influenced and directed by people in European 'high art' and it is anything but blots on a piece of paper or pictures of pictures of reflections. Regardless of wether it is to be liked, it is a prominent example of high art, albeit applied to a mass market pop video
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 09 Jun 2010, 18:24
by KaiserJ
the difference between design and art is that there is a "meaning" behind art, wheras something designed merely for visual stimulation with no real meaning falls below the category.
of course, implied meaning is a subjective term, one could argue that the mona lisa is merely a pinup girl, that "guernica" is just a doodle, and that marcel duchamps merely had a small bladder.
for me, looking through deviant art, i see a lot of interesting images, but not really so much in terms of something that conveys a message (of course that stuff is there, but it seems to pale in comparison with the slew of anime fan-art and black and white photos of random crap) because after all, paintings / drawings / photography are not inherently art merely for existing, they must possess something more to gain the title.
recently i considered entering a competition for "new artists" which i took to mean people who hadn't yet been recognized by the artistic community... sure im not the greatest, but im certainly up for a challenge... and then i read in the fine print that
a) i would have needed a bachelors degree
b) i would have needed numerous writeups and positive critical review from the artistic community
so really, "high art" is very elitist, there's a whole echelon of so-called "art appreciators" whose opinions dictate what is art and what is not; who is an artist and who is not. as an uneducated, unreviewed painter, it's impossible for me to enter their world. after all, anyone can find a hidden meaning behind anything if they stare at it long enough.
most "art" (as opposed to design these days) lacks the technical skill or detail that i personally find fascinating to look at, and coupled with this sense of elitism, turns me off from the idea completely. i'm sure some people enjoy the style (using arghs example of those snotty "ohhh look what i did" photos) but for me that stuff completely misses the mark.
lady gaga bad romance video IS an example of art rather than design, i find it very cliched and repulsive as well as dumbed down to the point where the "hidden message" is in 6 feet tall neon letters (certainly no offense though AF, its a great example, and really, quite tasteful for a music video)
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 09 Jun 2010, 19:35
by zwzsg
KaiserJ wrote:recently i considered entering a competition for "new artists" which i took to mean people who hadn't yet been recognized by the artistic community... sure im not the greatest, but im certainly up for a challenge... and then i read in the fine print that
a) i would have needed a bachelors degree
b) i would have needed numerous writeups and positive critical review from the artistic community
so really, "high art" is very elitist, there's a whole echelon of so-called "art appreciators" whose opinions dictate what is art and what is not; who is an artist and who is not. as an uneducated, unreviewed painter, it's impossible for me to enter their world. after all, anyone can find a hidden meaning behind anything if they stare at it long enough.
I do think that art, nowadays, can only be defined tautologicaly: Is art what is considered art (by gallerist, curators, critics, and other people with functions in the art business).
KaiserJ wrote: and really, quite tasteful for a music video
Tasteful? Sounds like I need to upgrade my tastometer, its good/bad scale got inverted.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 09 Jun 2010, 19:43
by KaiserJ
to be more clear, i didn't like it, but in terms of music videos ive seen, its actually quite good.
Re: Tuesday is harvest day...
Posted: 09 Jun 2010, 23:38
by Argh
I got around to watching the video.
A. There was absolutely nothing groundbreaking visually there. It looks like the people who developed the look liked fetish videos and the Blade slaughterhouse rave scene and the Marketing department said, "fine, you can suggest kinky stuff, but keep the video tame". It was about as erotic as Miley Cirus.
B. It wasn't even that well executed. Despite all the fancy costumes, it was still basically just "girl in poses lip-syncing with backup dancers". Even the clothing styles are uninspired- that kind of kink plasticware dates from the 1990's and the extreme goth scene. There was no story development- just music and a stab at mood. Thriller, this ain't.
If you want to see something actually modern, that wasn't it.
AF, I suspect that you, like a lot of folks, have not actually seen the works of the artists mentioned in that article. I'd honestly suggest reviewing some Hirst et al before telling me what "modern art" currently looks like...