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Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 19:14
by Argh
I don't usually plug the games I pay for. Heck, I don't play a lot of new games, other than Flash stuff- too busy to invest giant hours in a title, and I hate wasting money.

But I heard that Modern Warfare 2 was worth seeing, and I plunked down $60 on Steam for it.

It was the best $60 I've invested in a game, bar none, I've ever spent.

This game is so good, I may even have to beat it again on harder than "average", just to see it all again, which is the highest praise I can give a FPS. It's an unbelievably good, hardcore shooter.

While you're definitely on rails, and are being pushed through a cattle chute, you won't care, because the game offers just enough freedom to keep you from feeling like you don't have any choices. For example, while you're stuck with whatever guns you start with, you can pick things up freely from the bad guys, who come with a cornucopia of modern weapons- there's nothing quite like storming a favela in Brazil with a pair of fully-automatic Glock 18s to make you feel like you're having a John Woo moment- something a lot of games aim for, and game reviewers frequently try to tell you you'll feel, but most games never deliver. And the levels are just big enough to let you make tactical choices, and play hardcore if you want. While it seems like the enemy's endless, in actuality, you really can kill 'em all- if the spooky-smart AI doesn't kill you first.

And to top it all off... whenever you might possibly be getting bored of being a well-trained, tactical badass blowing your way through superbly designed levels and dozens of bad guys, they give you a mini-game to play that is actually cool. There's nothing like climbing an ice wall, hand-over-hand, or driving through a sea of dead aircraft whilst gunning down the Men In Black to convince you that yes, you're doing something straight out of a movie.

The enemy AI really deserves a lot of extra mention here. I've never seen a FPS AI that was so wickedly good at finding and using cover, shooting around and through the smallest gaps, etc., and moving around a level. While some of it's level-specific stuff and key points, it rarely feels like it. Seek cover and aim around a corner in a gutted parking lot full of wrecked cars, and you will watch the AI carefully picking its way through the cars, shooting through the windows, ducking behind the wreckage, and attempting to flank you. Moving through crowded terrain is a total nightmare, because the AI is always there, trying to find you, surround you, and kill you.

The cutest touch is how they balanced your invincible buddies in the single-player campaign. They're there, and they're invincible, because they're plot objects- and while they shoot and talk a lot (in a useful way!) and generally perfectly blend into the experience, they can't hit enemies farther than a fairly short distance away. They'll save your neck in a close ambush, but in the longer fights, you're on your own. The only effective buddies are the non-invincible ones... and they die pretty fast.

Lastly, the music works. I almost always shut the music off, in any game I play, because most of the time, it annoys me because it's interfering with the experience. I left it on, while playing this title, because it reinforced the Action Movie Hero feel and the action sensor was good enough that it sometimes serves as a warning signal that you're about to get swarmed.

I haven't played it online, I can't invest that kind of time in it and Urban Terror fits that fix, for when I'm burnt out on working on Spring stuff and work and I just want to achieve Zen. That said, I'll probably try it just to see it. If the gameplay online is basically like single-player, then it's probably awesome stuff. Just watch out for the guys with M14s and thermal scopes, because they're probably going to shoot your eyeballs out.

Oh, and lastly... did I mention that this game delivers all this amazing package, yet works on Windows XP and DirectX 9c? That's how smart Infinity Ward was, folks. Play it.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 19:23
by Jazcash
Oh please. It's a game designed for entertainment, its core and fundamental virtues which make it fun is its easyness.

Sure, that makes it fun, however, it doesn't make it a great game. I've played many FPS games in my time, FPS is my favourite platform of game. I enjoy playing CoD and games like it. However, they lack one game virtue which drives me away from them. Skill.

It takes next to no effort at all to rack up a nice amount of kills in CoD, it takes no effort to pwn the best. Seriously, after a month or so of playing it you're pretty much pro...

Don't get me wrong, CoD is a really fun and well designed game, however, it's really not for hardcore gamers who wish to be "better" than anybody else.

I consider the best games the ones that require skill to play AND are fun at the same time.



Oh and also, you're very late on the scene here, MW2's been out for a while now :wink:

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 19:39
by Gota
Skill?you mean engine physics tricks(bunny hoping strafe jumping) like the ones in the quake series or warsow?

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 19:41
by Argh
No, he's talking about how hard it would be for a decent player to shoot you in the head, every time they see you.

I haven't played it online, but I'd be inclined to say that you're probably right about the skill issue there. Unless they jacked up movement speeds, it's probably mainly bitches camping with semi-auto snipers. It'd get really old, fast, to see somebody taking people out on a flank whilst proned out.

Meh, that's why I play UrT when I want that fix, they don't give a shit about realism and aside from non-official maps that suck, it's a well-designed FPS for serious play.

And yeah, I bought it later. I rarely buy any game when it's first released- I'd rather wait and see reviews, and usually it's cheaper then, too. Call me a cheapskate, but I just don't care about having a game when it's freshly-released.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 19:55
by KaiserJ
heheh i've watched my friend play a whole bunch of online play of this for the 360... between small children dropping the n-bomb and not working as a team, i've seen hackers in two of his games (one causing everyone to have unlimited ammo, and one causing everyone on the other team to have a score of 0/1000)

it's quite easy, as jaz says, which can be frustrating when you're used to games like UrT or CS where it really takes a lot to make the "skill shot" on someone, often years to train for before you have the nerves to handle it consistently.

i prefer games with a steep learning curve; its what keeps me coming back.

the game sure is pretty though, and playing SP mode for highscore seems like a lot of fun (although quite frankly not nearly as good for me as the white knuckle survival-coop in halo ODST)

just make the guns spray more so that the noobs will stop playing; this will make the game will become difficult, and i will buy it. ^^

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 19:55
by Otherside
Modern Warfare 2 is shit

Bad Company 2 is good

/thread

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 20:04
by Hobo Joe
MW2 is crap.


Try playing a good FPS like CSS or Quake or BC2.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 20:19
by Argh
I couldn't imagine playing any "FPS" on the 360 as being a worthwhile experience, so I'm not surprised. I'm a firm believer that the FPS genre's meant to be played with the keyboard and a mouse, period.

So, assuming that I don't feel like spending a lot of time online, why is BC2 a better game? It looked really cartoony and silly on Steam to me, but not silly enough (in the Painkiller sense) to appeal to me.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 20:22
by Jazcash
KaiserJ wrote: i prefer games with a steep learning curve; its what keeps me coming back.
This. It's why I love Spring so much. If I played games for the graphics, I wouldn't be playing Spring.

It's also what deturned a lot of my newby friends. I invite them to play Spring. Even spend hours getting it setup for them, and then once they see the graphics they're like "Nah, not for me thanks".

In a way, that's a good thing because it filters out all the newb gamers and only attracts players wanting to play games for their gameplay :mrgreen:

And yeh, I'm agreement with the Quake fans ^_^


Also, CoD singleplayer is seriously easy, beat it on Veteran in less than a day and finished all the Special Ops missions by the end of the week.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 21:51
by Gota
Didnt know you were so competetive...why u dont play more 1v1s?

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 21:59
by KaiserJ
Gota wrote:Didnt know you were so competetive...why u dont play more 1v1s?
its impossible to hide behind myself and tech

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 22:33
by Jazcash
Gota wrote:Didnt know you were so competetive...why u dont play more 1v1s?
I do when I can and when I'm pumped :P Not on anything but BA atm though :mrgreen:

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 22:53
by KDR_11k
The PC game is pretty much useless due to cheaters, there's no way to get rid of them because there are no admins and VAC may ban them a month later but that doesn't stop them from ruining your game NOW. Anyway, it looks like you're only talking about singleplayer which I haven't played very far (got to the part where you assault fast food places IIRC) so the cheater problem and all the other flaws of multiplayer aren't relevant.

Besides, you seriously paid 60$ for it? Try shopping around, I got it for half off in the first week or so.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 06 Apr 2010, 23:59
by Machete234
Multiplayer isnt good anymore mainly because there are o dedicated servers anymore.
Most players dont get a decent ping anymore and with a ping over 100 you might aswell not play.
mw2 is peer-to-peer gaming, which might work out for RTS games but not for FPS games.

I played cod4 for 2 years and by then you can get number one on the list in about 5 min.
Clan servers and clan wars is different thing.

I dont play cod anymore right now only quakelive and spring
Mw2 is the reason im here hehe :twisted:

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 00:03
by pintle
QW:ET and BC2 both shit on the entire CoD series from great heights.

Game did very very little at all new, it reeks to me of soulless reproduction of the same old game, with minor interface and balance tweaks.

Imho, pretty much the only "competitive" fps communities are id fanbois, UT fanbois, CS fags, and those weirdos who are still playing Tribes 2 and pwn me so hard every time I decide to try playing online again. Everything else is the equivalent of BA DSD 8v8 public games.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 00:07
by Sucky_Lord
Agree with Hobo that CSS is a beast.

But all FPS is a bit lame. Its just clicking on people's heads.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 00:22
by Wartender
Machete234 wrote: Most players dont get a decent ping anymore and with a ping over 100 you might aswell not play.
i don't think i've ever had a ping below 200. in any game. ever.
:cry:

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 01:00
by knorke
Uhm I guess if you
don't play a lot of new games
you will be impressed by pretty much every new FPS. The graphics/animations/glass shattering/smoke blabla in new games actually are impressive and give a cool "bam in your face" feeling. At least thats how i feel. (dont play many new games either)
So you are maybe a little biased ;)

But Counterstrike is a bit lame. Its just clicking on people's heads.
fixed.
Thats why I prefer arena shooters. Even if you loose you know its not because you misclicked by 1mm but because how you played. Even a Quake Deathmatch has more tactic than than all those "tactic shooters" where you do is sneak around and click on peoples heads. Collecting armor & health, stopping the opponents from doing the same, kill respawned enemies. Yes, respawnkilling can be part of the gameplay instead of "omgomglame no base camping."
Everything else is the equivalent of BA DSD 8v8 public games.
So true.
In Natural Selection, Wolfenstein:ET and Team Fortress you could just join any server and it was awesome.
If you ever played a few good rounds of NS or W:ET you will compare every other fps to this. So far none deliverd :regret:
(in b4 in ancient times everything was better)

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 01:04
by Gota
Never did get into wolfen....Isn't it all about missions?plant bomb there while other teams trys to stop you...Always disliked those...
Quake is nice though,so is warsow.

Re: Modern Warfare 2

Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 01:58
by knorke
yea, its missions and objectives change during play of the map.
For example the map "Goldrush:"
Allies have to steal&escort a Panzer (it follows a path on its own whenever an allied soldier is next to it/on its machine gun) Axis try to delay the tank by damaging it (then it must be repaired) or by constructing roadblocks. (which then the Allies would have to blow up to let the tank past)
After a while, the tank arrives at a bank and destroy its door. Now Allies must try to load the gold CTF style on a truck and in the end escape with the truck.