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has anyone tried this? my friend is trying to get me to download it but it seems like that sort of thing that would be infested by hackers...

i'd like to hear more about if from an impartial party before i take the plunge ^^

oh yes, i own the game, the steam version. so please don't take this as a hoisting of the jolly roger.

I can't help, but am intrigued as to why you wanna play without steam?

I have a mate with non-steam version. He's had no problems that i know of

Why on earth would you get the no-steam version if you already have the steam version?


That makes no sense. Unless you're trying out a hack or something. (which would make you a lower form of life)

Hobo Joe wrote:Why on earth would you get the no-steam version if you already have the steam version?


That makes no sense. Unless you're trying out a hack or something. (which would make you a lower form of life)

You get the NON steam version in order to play against other people who don't have the steam version... but still... you're just asking people to hack because all the great anti-cheat stuff steam implements won't be there right?

so we can use our wallhacks and aimbots!

haha but seriously. steam isn't -THAT- bad, but at the same time, it's not a necessary evil.

it's like inviting a girl who you know is a drunken slut over to your party... sure, it's good because she's easy, and anyone can have her, but the next day you'll be sweeping up the wine cooler vomit and used condoms, and you'll regret it.

but i digress. i've had problems with steam in the past... in the first versions of it, the crawling and reversing progress bar... the "oh you've logged out, find your password" moments...

not to mention plastering stupid advertisments all over de_dust2, what were they thinking? if i was going to look at a portal advertisment, and buy it, wouldn't i already have done so?

and really, should i have kept all of my box information for games like "blue shift"? i would have if i had known that i would need them years later in order to get them to run.

do i REALLY want to become friends with "[420]killersniper[69]"? i would assume that if hes my friend, he already has my facebook and my mobile number

so really, steam is less like a drunken slut, and more like the annoying dude at the party that wants to be your friend. nobody invited him, but he has a hot sister, so you have to let him show up. he goes around and introduces himself to everyone, telling them about what computer games they should buy, and what fan groups they should apply for. he's the only person who knows how to mix a drink and to hook up the stereo, but beyond that, he's a completely bland and uninteresting person spouting industry babble and game recommendations that you would have been better off not having met.

i hope that clarifies things.

edit : if steam actually stopped hackers, i would respect it. but it doesnt

Steam greatly reduces the numbers of hackers. It is very frustrating when people go "Oh, X doesn't stop Y form of human idiocy/wankery, it is not valuable/effective!" You're not going to find something that stops Y without negatively impacting whatever you're trying to protect, in fact it is unlikely that you'll find something that can stop Y entirely no matter how far you're willing to damage whatever Y feeds upon.

SinbadEV wrote:

Hobo Joe wrote:Why on earth would you get the no-steam version if you already have the steam version?


That makes no sense. Unless you're trying out a hack or something. (which would make you a lower form of life)

You get the NON steam version in order to play against other people who don't have the steam version... but still... you're just asking people to hack because all the great anti-cheat stuff steam implements won't be there right?

I wouldn't call VAC "great" but it's existent anyways.

It does a good enough job. I very very rarely see any hackers in cs/css.


Sounds like you just hate Steam because it used to be bad, it's pretty damn useful and convenient.

I have a non-steam cs:s and it works but thats all I can tell.
You find enough servers to play and they are well frequented.
As far as I can tell from spectating I saw maybe one/two guys cheating.

Some people are just very good in CS that doesnt mean they are cheaters they just played this stupid game for years. ( ).

Some people just suck big time so they accuse good players I have seen it in my years of cod.

I like the game (cs:s) its very well designed and if you could aim down your sights cod-style I would play nothing else.

SinbadEV wrote: all the great anti-cheat stuff steam implements won't be there right?

Steam anti cheat isnt that great, so I heard.

It's basically just a threat of lifetime ban on all Steam services if you're proven to be a cheater. So an admin needs to be watching and see you, or something like that.

However, since it's impossible to say someone's an admin or not without actually being that person, there's a fairly strong incentive for someone to play the game properly. On the odd occasion I can tell someone is cheating, I just pick someone's name out of the user list and say "Hey [guy], record this person and send it to Valve. Enjoy your lifetime ban, asshole." They usually quit within about 5 seconds.

but i dont hate steam; i have it installed! its my friend who hates it

Tell your friend to stop being a douche. I bet he owns an iPhone too, doesn't he? Or something beginning with an "i", that much is for sure.

Steam is the best compromise you can hope for between gamers and game publishers. Impulse is nice too, but Steam has a better game selection and frankly I trust Steam will be around 10 years from now but I'm not so sure about Impulse. A digital game purchase is an investment. Like a traditional investment, the probability that the investment will still exist in X years time is a big factor, if not the biggest factor, in choosing where to invest.

Your friend can go on all he wants about how Steam is an invasion of the universe by reptilians, but we've seen with Assassin's Creed 2 what the alternative is.

+1

well, i got it working; seems pretty straightforward. you install the game, download this "setti list" to access the non-steam master server, and away you go.

the biggest issue i can see (i've only tried logging in the middle of the night) is that there just arent very many north american servers. i was playing on a server in ukraine and pinging 100, which isn't bad, but most of the other players had about half the ping.

seems like a ratio of :
100 russian servers
10 ukraine servers
5 servers of other european origin
1 server from north america

haha well, maybe not that bad... and im used to playing FPS with a high ping, just gotta shoot them right in the face when they pop around the corner... but it seems like a mainly european dominated community.

i found a server where i pinged 8; but it was empty ;.; maybe in my neighbours basement?

haven't seen a hacker yet though which to be honest is quite surprising.