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Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 00:12
by Panda
Wow! Scientists can pipe a blue light into a mouses brain to drive it to turn endlessly in circles.

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http://www.impactlab.com/2009/10/20/opt ... ith-light/

This is supposed to be a part of the field of Optogenetics which used to provided insight into the the circuitry of the mammalian brain in order to help find treatments for neurological disorders.

:P That sounds kind of like some sort of strange science fiction stuff where a laser pointer could be used in mind control where people could be turned into the Borg. I'm sure it doesn't work like that. It would be freaky and, in my opinion, dangerous to try and control the mind and emotions to that extent.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 00:28
by Panda
Some rodents are so adorable (See the Chinchilla.).

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cmh72Z9ISI

I wouldn't want to have to put a light into any sort of rodent's brain, especially the chinchilla.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 22:19
by Neddie
I much prefer the less complex form of mind control by which we give the mouse a cocaine drip with a pressure toggle, and the mouse hits the toggle until it passes away. Or the direct electrical stimulation of a particular region of the mind, resulting in much the same.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 22:30
by JohannesH
I think its fine, as long as its not done on the cute chinchilla.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 16:13
by Licho
Thats not anything new, you have remote controlled bugs (as in animals) with electrodes implanted while they are in pupal stage.
You have robots controlled by brain tissue in can and there was mouse with camera that was remote controlled by sending signals to neurons that process whiskers (meant for search and rescue operations)

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 16:17
by Licho
Oh there was also project that could read visual data directly from cat's brain (even video feed) and there is ongoing project that can read image from human brain (without need of electrodes), even imagined image.

The human thing uses fMRI to determine blood usage of brain parts and has low resolution it can either read directly the image (which allows it to determine letter you look at) or it can be trained to read after image was processed to symbolic representation (by your brain).
This allows it to correctly determine images if they are randomly picked from database of 6 millions.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 16:22
by TradeMark
would be cool if you could remote control yourself, if theres something you dont want to do but you have to do, you could just activate the orgasm place in your brain and you really want to do that thing then.

in the future we have such devices in our brains to make us finish the school faster.

oh wait... isnt that like in the movie Matrix

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 16:24
by Licho
Such thing is actually technically possible, you could stimulate yourself by inducing pleasure after doing thing you dont like to do.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 16:36
by Licho
Remote controlled moth:

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Cockroach used as a control unit for robot:
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Robbot controlled by trained brain tissue:
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Image presented to cat and read directly from its brain (below):
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Could not find that rat with camera and brain implant.. there are also apes that control robot arms etc.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 17:02
by JohannesH
Licho wrote:Such thing is actually technically possible, you could stimulate yourself by inducing pleasure after doing thing you dont like to do.
Or, you could stimulate yourself by inducing pleasure after doing something you like to do!

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 17:51
by Panda
TradeMark wrote:would be cool if you could remote control yourself, if theres something you dont want to do but you have to do, you could just activate the orgasm place in your brain and you really want to do that thing then.

in the future we have such devices in our brains to make us finish the school faster.

oh wait... isnt that like in the movie Matrix
I think it's probably better to have to struggle some while making decisions in order to build character, sort of like how a butterfly has to struggle in order to live when it emerges from it's cocoon.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 18:13
by bartvbl
I've been quite recently visiting a friend of us at the university. He is doing a lot of research on brains over there. So I have seen a rat with a brain transplant in RL :-).
Appearantly, they have made a small breakthrough over there by graphing the position of the rat where a brain cell activates, leading to this:
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A really nice pattern with clear hexagons where the brain cells mostly activate. Although they had a poster there which showed one that was a far better one than this, but you get the idea.
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_cell
Generally really interesting stuff!

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 22:28
by PicassoCT
I heard in china they experimented with pidgeons and were able to controll there movement in flight, by manipulating there orientation organs.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 23:01
by TradeMark
i heard that all chinese are being mind controlled already

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 23:26
by bartvbl
TradeMark wrote:i heard that all chinese are being mind controlled already
WIN! :mrgreen:

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 03:23
by Panda
I've heard that the Uygurs don't like how the Han Chinese treat their dogs.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 09 Jan 2010, 04:10
by PicassoCT
Well Uygurs are muslim, to the muslim the dog is a unclean (or unholy) animal, so i guess the Uygurs hate the Hans for eating a unholy animal (like they hate the west for alcohol) so all in all, i would presum the Han like dogs more.

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 04:23
by Panda
It seems that that the Uygurs don't like how the Hans have dog fights instead of doing traditional folk dances like they do. I've heard rumors of the Chinese eating all kinds of creatures and using all kinds of things because of they believe that it has healing properties, but I'm not so sure about dogs. I wouldn't want to eat a dog and probably most people wouldn't know how to clean it (like a deer?) in order to eat one anyway.

Hey, do you think that the Uygurs dislike monkeys as well?:

Alcoholic Vervet Monkeys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSm7BcQHWXk

Re: Mouse Mind Control

Posted: 10 Jan 2010, 06:47
by JohannesH
Healing properties? The rumors I've heard say that chinise eat all kinds of creatures cause it gets their stomach full.