Spring RTS Engine

hi there, first this game (spring) rock totally.

i fall in spring about 2 week ago --> true, i'm very used to rts and opensource (my first was netherearth in zxspeccy 48k .. :D) <-- and i find a love of my youngest year (gundam :D), whoa.. this rob me about 2 nights of sleep,
and my wife patience was near to end now :DD
so, this is your fault (eheh) not mine i just love to play ehehe , ok trying to stay serius, i read that all is customizable, but reading the gundam license the (very well skilled) author don't give permission to manipulate it.. i mean, is possible that none notice that an ammo limit to the gundam bot was the perfect way (at least in my newbie opinion) to give
the game the real appeal of zaku vs mobile suit war..

and there is the question
-someone tweaked the lua to give limited ammo?
-is possible to do it (ammo limited)?
-how damn can i refuel the flight zaku ?? (build the refuel place, but none want to use it :DD)

thanks,
from a 36 yo gamers who have not much more free time but like this game really :DD

Spring is the engine and Gundam is the game. Smoth decides if Gundam is modded.

I'm not exactly sure what the rest of your questions are. Maybe you should send Smoth a private message. memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=179

welcome to spring

enjoy your stay

Once you've fallen in Spring, there is no escape. Welcome to the otherside my friend. There is no turning back....

hi there and thanks for the answers.. :D

but many of my questions was avoided (mm well politely dodged?)
ok it's clear that it's question of "good thinking" to ask permission
to the (very well and really honored by me) author, but the question
are:
- someone have already thought that an ammo system in gundam spring
can work well?
- someone have already done it?
- is it possible to do it? and if yes.. how and where we need to do the trick?

today i play a little match versus a bot, and using an Ez8 escorted by
2 fast assault i drive havok inside enemy line, falling back to repairing
him and returning again in second wave, third wave, fourth wave until
i see that the enemy (bot.. i repeat, probably this wont work versus
human, or at least probably a newbie like me can have problem, but
i think that experience resolve this..but i've not the experience to solve it for sure, at least now :D) is doomed to fall.. (fight versus
the comm the last 2 times and almost destroy it with him hittin me
just 1 time..) i stop it and think that an ammo system will be a real
good thing..

how can be done ? i really like this game.. seeing zaku and mobile suit
fighting is a luxury for my eyes.. remind me of when i was really really
young.. :DD

smoth wrote:Troy:
I'd tell you apply gun directly to head but that would get me introuble around here troy.

Gundam doesn't have to be gpled idiot the scripts are public domain. Art cannot and should not be be gpled so NO I do not have to. In fact they say not do that. thank you come again.

lol :D
hi Smoth, as i understand you are the maker of the gundam mod, very very honor to you it's damned fun and my wife will kill you the second you came in range to her :D (ok.. you will be probably the second target.. me and my pc are the first :D)

please, may you tell me if it's possible (and what i'll have to trick and modify) to add the ammo system, and please (again.. :D) where do i've to start reading or learning for doing that?

and also.. how can i refuel the flying zaku? i've build the refuelling station, but probably the workers inside are striking each moment.. my flying zaku remain out of fuel... :DD

also.. i notice that the mob. suite raise the shields when fighting.. this is just a candies for eyes or have useful effect? (this rock.. remind me
of toy fighting with gundams and others with bro and friend.. ahhh nice old times :D)

sugacapra wrote:please, may you tell me if it's possible (and what i'll have to trick and modify) to add the ammo system, and please (again.. :D) where do i've to start reading or learning for doing that?

which unit are you asking about? we don't really have an ammo system in spring although the Spring1944 have one.

sugacapra wrote:and also.. how can i refuel the flying zaku? i've build the refuelling station, but probably the workers inside are striking each moment.. my flying zaku remain out of fuel... :DD

oh crap, that is still happening, I'll have to look at that. What version of gundam are you using?

sugacapra wrote: also.. i notice that the mob. suite raise the shields when fighting.. this is just a candies for eyes or have useful effect? (this rock.. remind me
of toy fighting with gundams and others with bro and friend.. ahhh nice old times :D)

Right now it is just eye candy

This thread is NOT about GPL. I don't want to see another thread ripped off topic into "what constitutes the legal definition of derivative" again. Tobi has made a thread stickied at the top of the forum for that. This was unacceptable.

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote:please, may you tell me if it's possible (and what i'll have to trick and modify) to add the ammo system, and please (again.. :D) where do i've to start reading or learning for doing that?

which unit are you asking about? we don't really have an ammo system in spring although the Spring1944 have one.

mm i look better and see that some of the m.suit use energy (i see that
the ez8 generate 7.0 energy and when it fire he expend circa 5.0)
this is a real good idea(your!).
Maybe just walking and running require energy? if so this can be
real fun (or maybe, better have a stock of energy and when depleted
the beam weapon are gone, need to restock energy at base?)

for the "bullet" or "rocket" weapon, if i remember well my lost memories, this type of weapons are limited in use, after the m.suite
or zaku join the melee with light saber?
is maybe possible to give the rocket, and other bullet type limited
number of shoot after what they can or join the melee (and die with
honor :D) or going to restock at a ammo depot (base?)?

this can be probably slow type of game, but the fun (at least for me)
will raise so way much...

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote:and also.. how can i refuel the flying zaku? i've build the refuelling station, but probably the workers inside are striking each moment.. my flying zaku remain out of fuel... :DD

oh crap, that is still happening, I'll have to look at that. What version of gundam are you using?

i look when i came back home.. now i'm at work and cant look :D

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote: also.. i notice that the mob. suite raise the shields when fighting.. this is just a candies for eyes or have useful effect? (this rock.. remind me
of toy fighting with gundams and others with bro and friend.. ahhh nice old times :D)

Right now it is just eye candy

a real nice effect.. maybe when shield raise is possible to higher the
defensive factor? (and slow the movement?)
also, another nice candy is that almost destroyed m.suite lost the
shield.. wonderful.. you do a very great job.. honor again to you..

sugacapra wrote: mm i look better and see that some of the m.suit use energy (i see that the ez8 generate 7.0 energy and when it fire he expend circa 5.0)
this is a real good idea(your!).

I have moved away from the energy and metal system. I also removed the ammunition cost because esp in the case of the rx79 series because they carry several reloads on them and probably will not expend it all in an engagement.

sugacapra wrote:Maybe just walking and running require energy? if so this can be
real fun (or maybe, better have a stock of energy and when depleted
the beam weapon are gone, need to restock energy at base?)

It was to my understanding that because of the minovsky reactors mobile suits may walk around and move indefinitely. If they do have limitations it would be only in space due to small amounts of propellant.

sugacapra wrote:for the "bullet" or "rocket" weapon, if i remember well my lost memories, this type of weapons are limited in use, after the m.suite or zaku join the melee with light saber? is maybe possible to give the rocket, and other bullet type limited number of shoot after what they can or join the melee (and die with honor :D) or going to restock at a ammo depot (base?)?

The game sees very large battles and reloading all the common mobile suits would become extremely tedious. Right now melee isn't in because the melee support isn't there. It will be added some day but right now I have not due to limitations.

sugacapra wrote:this can be probably slow type of game, but the fun (at least for me)
will raise so way much..

Well it is being considered, special weapons like the zgok's missiles are limited in ammo as is the ammo for the kampfer. Doms also are known to have limited ammunition. Because I want to focus on large battles I have to make on special suits have limited ammunition but we are looking at adding one for some ms, it seems that there is an interest here so I am going to put it on the pile of stuff that is to be done.

sugacapra wrote: a real nice effect.. maybe when shield raise is possible to higher the
defensive factor? (and slow the movement?) also, another nice candy is that almost destroyed m.suite lost the shield.. wonderful.. you do a very great job.. honor again to you..

Hmm, I had taken out the shield blow off code because I thought people hated it. I can look at adding it back for you. It will be some work but I'll work on it. Right now the shields do not offer a bonus as they are just part of the firing animation. I like the idea suggested that they could maybe move slow with shields raised and defense increased. I will look into adding it.

Gundam is a work in progress so some things are not added yet also some things are not added because I want to try and allow for ease of use. I cannot add all suggestions but I am always open for discussion and if you want to make a mutator to show me how you would like to see something work I am more than willing to take a look.

hi there..
first of all, the version is 1.1.1 r5.

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote: mm i look better and see that some of the m.suit use energy (i see that the ez8 generate 7.0 energy and when it fire he expend circa 5.0)
this is a real good idea(your!).

I have moved away from the energy and metal system. I also removed the ammunition cost because esp in the case of the rx79 series because they carry several reloads on them and probably will not expend it all in an engagement.

mmm maybe i'm too newbye to have the knowhow (at least on spring :D) but at least for my flavour of game, having to reload the m.s. will
add fun and tactics, maybe is just that i don't like the zerglings life..
:D
I'll play more and let you know.. :D (i've send the link of spring and gundam mod to an old friend with whom we play netgames since
bbs old times.. duke3d, doom.. red-alert, dune, warcraft.. and go on..)

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote:Maybe just walking and running require energy? if so this can be
real fun (or maybe, better have a stock of energy and when depleted
the beam weapon are gone, need to restock energy at base?)

It was to my understanding that because of the minovsky reactors mobile suits may walk around and move indefinitely. If they do have limitations it would be only in space due to small amounts of propellant.

ah.. ok, my memories (maybe wrecked.. ) remember me of bazooka
like zaku firing one volley then dropping and going gun and melee..
and m.s. firing some missiles volley then stopping using that..

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote:for the "bullet" or "rocket" weapon, if i remember well my lost memories, this type of weapons are limited in use, after the m.suite or zaku join the melee with light saber? is maybe possible to give the rocket, and other bullet type limited number of shoot after what they can or join the melee (and die with honor :D) or going to restock at a ammo depot (base?)?

The game sees very large battles and reloading all the common mobile suits would become extremely tedious. Right now melee isn't in because the melee support isn't there. It will be added some day but right now I have not due to limitations.

mmm i'm too newbie to talk about it.. :D, the large battles at the
moment are unknow items to me, i'll see and probably the reload
factor can become nasty... (but large battles with reloading are
for my mind something that can be very exciting.. m.s. and zaku
fininishing ammo may be grouped and moved back.. with
2nd lines come in to reinforce.. :DD )

probably the AI and the lua scripts have to submit hard rework
to adapt to the ammo system.. but this can be a very high
add-on..

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote:this can be probably slow type of game, but the fun (at least for me)
will raise so way much..

Well it is being considered, special weapons like the zgok's missiles are limited in ammo as is the ammo for the kampfer. Doms also are known to have limited ammunition. Because I want to focus on large battles I have to make on special suits have limited ammunition but we are looking at adding one for some ms, it seems that there is an interest here so I am going to put it on the pile of stuff that is to be done.

nice to know.. (IMVHO) ammo limit are a very balancing things and
in RTS often the game end with zerg hordes.. having them forcing to restocking can reduce the horde effect

smoth wrote:

sugacapra wrote: a real nice effect.. maybe when shield raise is possible to higher the
defensive factor? (and slow the movement?) also, another nice candy is that almost destroyed m.suite lost the shield.. wonderful.. you do a very great job.. honor again to you..

Hmm, I had taken out the shield blow off code because I thought people hated it. I can look at adding it back for you. It will be some work but I'll work on it. Right now the shields do not offer a bonus as they are just part of the firing animation. I like the idea suggested that they could maybe move slow with shields raised and defense increased. I will look into adding it.

thanks, this is really nice, like anime gfx effect.. :D

Gundam is a work in progress so some things are not added yet also some things are not added because I want to try and allow for ease of use. I cannot add all suggestions but I am always open for discussion and if you want to make a mutator to show me how you would like to see something work I am more than willing to take a look.

good to know.. i'll let you know of my (crazy) ideas or suggestions,
this mod rock really.

thanks again for the happy hours you let me have, really.