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so 2 fingers?

Versus 2 hands and 4 fingers, and a moving arm

AF wrote:Anybody who mentions using a rubber stylus has never touched or used an iphone or ipod touch. They dont work! Capacitive sensors dont measure touch or pressure, they measure capacitance! I can put a piece of paper over my iphone and still do gestures, I cant use a pen or piece of paper, I don't even have to touch the screen, hovering 1 mm over it should suffice!

I don't understand the technology, I agree with you there, what I am saying is that it should be possible to create a conductive stylus that WOULD work on a Capacitive Surface (maybe it is a metal stylus with a thin plastic guard on the pointer end so that it carries the current from your finger down to the screen without scratching it)

The thing is, the requirement of a stylus is not a feature, but a design failure.

I would say that buttons that are too small to press with your finger are too small anyway regardless of how your choosing them. Laptop trackpads anyone?

Satirik wrote:people who think touch crap should replace mouse and keyboard are retarded

aegis wrote:having this multitouch panel would in no way prevent me from *also* having a keyboard (or mouse) if I wanted.

did you watch the 10gui/con10uum video?

SinbadEV wrote:it should be possible to create a conductive stylus that WOULD work on a Capacitive Surface

I have one, and it works well enough. however, so do my fingers. I'll try the stylus with an ipad sometime and see what I think.

AF wrote:The thing is, the requirement of a stylus is not a feature, but a design failure.

I would say that buttons that are too small to press with your finger are too small anyway regardless of how your choosing them. Laptop trackpads anyone?

If I am drawing on a tablet I want a stylus because drawing with my index finger is uncomfortable... also if I wanted to write letters instead of pressing buttons (obviously you would need to add some kind of hand-writing recognition software) I would prefer a stylus. I expect to use the stylus to control the interface only because I would have it in my hand from typing or drawing something.

the stylus I have is called a pogo sketch, and it has a squishy tip about the same diameter as the stylus itself...
the stylus tip size isn't an issue because it's replacing a much-larger finger in functionality.

Stylus and finger serve different purposes, and the ideal tablet would support both, but pardon me for saying it, but this is hardly relevant to the thread.

aegis wrote:

Satirik wrote:people who think touch crap should replace mouse and keyboard are retarded

aegis wrote:having this multitouch panel would in no way prevent me from *also* having a keyboard (or mouse) if I wanted.

did you watch the 10gui/con10uum video?

only the first part of my post was for you the second one was for people who think touchpad/screen should replace keyboard + mouse

well, I really don't agree with "pressing arbitrary buttons and moving a single point on an x/y plane is just as intuitive as the real physical motion of rotating an object"

aegis wrote:well, I really don't agree with "pressing arbitrary buttons and moving a single point on an x/y plane is just as intuitive as the real physical motion of rotating an object"

to me it is ... using ctrl/shift/alt (not arbitrary) with mouse is natural for me and everyone who use a computer for a while ...

it's *not* immediately natural to use an arbitrary key combination for an action like rotating an object, even if it feels natural after repeating.

aegis wrote:it's *not* immediately natural to use an arbitrary key combination for an action like rotating an object, even if it feels natural after repeating.

well turning your fingers over a flat screen to rotate something is not immediately natural either ... im pretty sure my grand parents wouldn't find how to rotate pictures by themselves

if they already knew how to use a multitouch surface, or already knew how to use a mouse, which do you think would be more natural? pressing a nonstandard key in harmony with moving a point on an x/y plane, or applying the concepts you already understand of touch, and physically applying rotational motion to the object with your fingers?

Mouse will _always_ have better precision than any attempt for an analogue input. Be it fingers, xbox controller, or anything else.

one could imagine an image of a mouse on the touchscreen that simulates the control of a mouse... this would effectively simulate the precision of a mouse using a touchscreen (this idea is pretty absurd but technically true)

Therefore:

==Troy== wrote:Mouse will _always_ have better precision than any attempt for an analogue input. Be it fingers, xbox controller, or anything else.

Is an Invalid statement... other arguments can be made but the better precision one does't work.

The iPad already has physical keyboard support, and the jailbreak app stores have bluetooth stacks for bluetooth mice, and bluetooth keyboards running on the iphone already.

So why we're all going on about it.....

SinbadEV wrote:one could imagine an image of a mouse on the touchscreen that simulates the control of a mouse... this would effectively simulate the precision of a mouse using a touchscreen (this idea is pretty absurd but technically true)

Therefore:

==Troy== wrote:Mouse will _always_ have better precision than any attempt for an analogue input. Be it fingers, xbox controller, or anything else.

Is an Invalid statement... other arguments can be made but the better precision one does't work.

Not really.

The mouse is a physical object, you actually feel its pointer on the better than you do when you point on something with a finger using a touchscreen.

The mouse also has one point that moves around while it is quite impossible to tell exactly what part of your finger that is touching the screen will be considered the center.

With the mouse you always see pointer and you will be able to calculate (subconsciously) how much you have to move the mouse in order to reach the point you want to click.

Using a touchscreen your hand will obscure part of the screen making it even harder to pinpoint something.

And aegis i agree completely with you on the mouse+keyboard+a GOOD touchscreen (which we practically have 0 available) would be the best setup, but touchscreen itself is not more intuitive and practical than mouse+keyboard as the argument seemed to be in the beginning.

Perhaps in time this will change but there is no point to base arguments on WHAT IF statements.

And umm AF...

AF wrote:People here are also demonstrating a massive ignorance of touchscreen technology

When i read that i expected to see real arguments to support this claim but then:

AF wrote:so 2 fingers?

Versus 2 hands and 4 fingers, and a moving arm

Seriously, you are not helping iPad's or even touchscreen's case...

the obscuring and inaccurate arguments have both been solved, the first with 10gui's touchpad and the second (well, both) through the use of relative movement

you are also forgetting that you can also change mouse sensitivity. And instead of having to sweat over to move this bit by JUST one pixel, you lower the sensitivity and swing your mouse good 5 cm until it moved just the amount you need.

Invalidating an argument is simple, by just saying it is invalid. You gave no arguments against it, effectively just trolling.