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Re: Inception.

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 14:20
by Gota

Re: Inception.

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 18:06
by momfreeek
hoijui wrote:'you' is manifold. some of its "faces" are static through live-time, some are inherently dynamic, and never the same in two different instants (of time?). and some.. you guessed it, are somewhere in-between.

maybe think of it this way... what can be abstracted, is usually going the static way, while what is lost during the abstraction is more dynamic.
I'm not sure this addresses the question of what is 'self' and how this relates to memories. I think its far more interesting as a personal question than a metaphysical one.

Re: Inception.

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 18:45
by Peet
momfreeek wrote:
hoijui wrote:'you' is manifold. some of its "faces" are static through live-time, some are inherently dynamic, and never the same in two different instants (of time?). and some.. you guessed it, are somewhere in-between.

maybe think of it this way... what can be abstracted, is usually going the static way, while what is lost during the abstraction is more dynamic.
I'm not sure this addresses the question of what is 'self' and how this relates to memories. I think its far more interesting as a personal question than a metaphysical one.
This question is considerably more answerable when you've experienced your consciousness/'self' being 'located' somewhere other than its usual habitat...there are substances that facilitate this.

Re: Inception.

Posted: 06 Aug 2010, 20:35
by Gota
Peet wrote:there are substances that facilitate this.
O'willy?

Re: Inception.

Posted: 07 Aug 2010, 19:05
by Panda
Peet wrote:This question is considerably more answerable when you've experienced your consciousness/'self' being 'located' somewhere other than its usual habitat...there are substances that facilitate this.
You don't have to use any kind of substance to facilitate that. You could try traveling to an awe inspiring place, living somewhere completely different, and people like paramedics also have a different view of the self than people who have not had the sort of experiences that they have had.

Re: Inception.

Posted: 07 Aug 2010, 21:09
by Gota
Panda wrote:
Peet wrote:This question is considerably more answerable when you've experienced your consciousness/'self' being 'located' somewhere other than its usual habitat...there are substances that facilitate this.
You don't have to use any kind of substance to facilitate that. You could try traveling to an awe inspiring place, living somewhere completely different, and people like paramedics also have a different view of the self than people who have not had the sort of experiences that they have had.
What do you mean(about the paramedics)?

Re: Inception.

Posted: 07 Aug 2010, 21:17
by Panda
Paramedics are around people who have suffered from traumatic or near death experiences often. They probably learned something about how such experiences can change a person and how those experiences affect other people and themselves. They certainly don't feel the same way that they do when they're bringing a person who had been in a car accident to the hospital than they do when they're going to church or eating dinner.

Re: Inception.

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 01:22
by Gota
Oh,i thought you had some insight.

Re: Inception.

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 07:46
by PicassoCT
I always found that paramedics, firemen, bankers, butcher,pathologist, midwifes, doctors and gravediggers form a sort of small parallel society within any comunity, sure they are invited, sure they are respected, but if you watch a party carefully, you will find that they always gather around some tables of there own, and that other "citizens" will carefully avoid people, who remind them of times of crisis, unpleasant realitys (the butcher kills so i may live good). If you would meet somebody on such a rare event, the talk always comes around this way:
ParallelSocietyParty Animal: "Well, hello there, long time not seen.."
(Panice thought, obviously faked laughter): "Yes, been pretty busy (means healthy, spared by traged since auntie died) the last view years, ahem, have you seen - my friend/ my wife/ my relative?"
"Yes, he is over there, in plain sight..."
"Thank you, cya, was really nice to see you again."

Re: Inception.

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 09:25
by hoijui
wouldn't that be a good mod name, instead of the sissy "* annihilation" stuff:
Party of Bankers

can not imagine anything... more intense.

Re: Inception.

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 09:34
by PicassoCT
my mathematical scheme is way more accurate in ripping of people than yours, but hey, you carry the blame, so i cant complain. One day im going to have myself my own private neverending party, with brokers and blackjack, in fact, forget about the party. ;)

Re: Inception.

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 23:45
by Panda
hoijui wrote:wouldn't that be a good mod name, instead of the sissy "* annihilation" stuff:
Party of Bankers

can not imagine anything... more intense.
:lol: Party of Bankers?

"Fatal Frame 2" was a great name for a game! I liked that video game even though it was a bit creepy.