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TradeMark wrote:

Gota wrote:Wait your saying you were having a dream while you were having a dream while having a dream?

Yes, just like in the movie

That's pretty cool. I had a dream within a dream before and it reminded me of a time warp. Lol, or maybe I had that dream because I watched a lot of sci fi movies.

I consider Christian Bale a talented actor (Batman Begins, The Machinist, The Prestige) who has taken on a number of strong roles in weak films (Reign Of Fire, Dark Knight) but I found the writing, editing, fight choreography, active cinematography, and general direction of The Dark Knight lacking. In comparison to the other films it fails to distinguish itself, finding comfortable mediocrity between the strong Begins and the feeble Batman & Robin. The plot also bore little resemblance to any particular run of the comic or ancillary graphic novel, so my expectations were limited. They're two very different mixed input mediums, so direct ports have their own problems (The Crow, V For Vendetta, Watchmen) though they tend to be better than reconstructions using the intellectual property (The Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, From Hell) mostly because the upper rung writers in the graphic novel world (Greg Rucka, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison) are simply better than the masses of scriptwriters in the film industry. Not surprising, as writing plays more of a role in driving sequential media, the comic industry is considerably more competitive while less profitable, and most of these writers are self-taught in a variety of writing forms.

Dreams are seldom what they seem, as dreamers tend to provide inconsistent narration. There is usually more activity than any particular dreamer recalls, the order of events is often flexible - if there is one, and of course memory is simply unreliable. People tend to make their dreams into what they desire or find comfortable, either during the process through lucid dreaming, or in retrospect by forgetting or modifying them.

In my eyes the movie sucked. It was semi-fun to watch but dreams totally lacked imagination while the "rules" (slowing time, partially inherited gravity, you can sometimes look as someone else, you can do whatever you want but you cant control people) totally lacked logic/sense.

It felt like a stage for fun shooting scenes.

Just to clear up the time concept, the average dream lasts between a few seconds to around 30 minutes, whereas in the dream it feels like much more time has passed, so this part of the film isnt actually unrealistic.

Licho wrote:In my eyes the movie sucked. It was semi-fun to watch but dreams totally lacked imagination while the "rules" (slowing time, partially inherited gravity, you can sometimes look as someone else, you can do whatever you want but you cant control people) totally lacked logic/sense.

It felt like a stage for fun shooting scenes.

I agree, the whole thing felt... disjointed :/

Sucky_Lord wrote:the average dream lasts between a few seconds to ...

Few seconds? are you kidding... references pls?

Dreams usually last as long as REM phase of dream, which is minutes.

If you get awakened in middle of REM, dream length will match time from start of REM phase (wiki), so I guess the time shift isnt so big if you can still judge it.

Its just dreams compress plot and ideas and everything so lots can happen in short time.

To further clarify, REM sleep often constitutes one fifth to one fourth of sleep, but in multiple periods, each of which are unlikely to last thirty minutes.

EDIT: I still haven't seen the film, but I didn't have high hopes.

Hmm, yeah i remember falling asleep on the sofa, and i felt like i was sleeping for 15mins, but actually only like 2minutes passed It was quite a shock, since i was going to work

Licho wrote:Dreams usually last as long as REM phase of dream, which is minutes.

If you get awakened in middle of REM, dream length will match time from start of REM phase (wiki), so I guess the time shift isnt so big if you can still judge it.

Its just dreams compress plot and ideas and everything so lots can happen in short time.

I think that their are some dream-like things going on during NREM sleep. After all, you're brain is still functioning during NREM, sleep studies can only tell us so much, and we are still receiving sensory input even if our perception of it is altered due to being in an altered state of consciousness.

Yeah some people claim they can even think during deep sleep - they claim to be at very low level of awarness and only think very slowly, usually just one thing/idea per night :)

I had not heard of that. I'd heard that sleep researchers weren't sure as to what was going on as far as thinking goes in NREM because people didn't seem to remember anything about it during that stage of sleep when they were awakened. I doubt that they would think of only 1 specific idea per night. That's a very long time to think of only 1 thing. One would also think that the speed of thought would be faster than that even in NREM sleep. We are not able to accurately measure the speed of the electrochemical processes occurring in neurons in the brain and we can't keep neurons alive in some sort of media outside of the body. I don't think that they would work properly if separated from the body anyway because of how their connections are formed.

If there are people who can control their body temperature during a deep state of meditation, I'm sure that it's possible that people are doing more just thinking of one idea per night in NREM. People probably just aren't able to bring into consciousness or communicate the thoughts that occur during NREM.

it was thought-provoking at least, i gave it alot more post movie contemplation than i give most blockbusters. sequel = almost certain

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:it was thought-provoking at least, i gave it alot more post movie contemplation than i give most blockbusters. sequel = almost certain

A sequal?about what...

Gota wrote:

1v0ry_k1ng wrote:it was thought-provoking at least, i gave it alot more post movie contemplation than i give most blockbusters. sequel = almost certain

A sequal?about what...

kid girl comes back to rescue old-man de'caprio from his fading dreamstate. He goes nuts when he realises its a dream and she's trapped trying to escape. Escher / lovecraft / hell in a headcase.

It will be hard to make a sequel from that movie

Inception Reloaded, after some time spent with his children he realises his world is the product of another architect and goes looking for him, and then somthing goes wrong and a malevolent projection gains the ability to re-produce itself by attacking other projections. the film becomes a race against time to find the architect of the matrix- I mean, of the dream- before the multiplying hostile projections kill everyone and begin escaping into the real world

It was certainly an alright movie. The concept was very unique, but I agree that it wasn't touched on nearly as much as it could be, and that the dream layer thing was underplayed.

One thing I noticed were the massive, gaping plot holes near the end of the film. For example, during DiCaprio's whole 'we did grow old together! You just don't remember!" flashback and the beginning of the movie, it portrayed people who had spent years in the abyss as old people, while in the "I did inception to my wife to make her feel better but accidentally killed her!" one, it shows them as young people on the railway tracks.

Generally, though, it was a pretty nice movie.

EDIT: Oh, also:
http://www.ifc.com/news/2010/07/incepti ... h-piaf.php
INCEPTION

MidKnight wrote:One thing I noticed were the massive, gaping plot holes near the end of the film. For example, during DiCaprio's whole 'we did grow old together! You just don't remember!" flashback and the beginning of the movie, it portrayed people who had spent years in the abyss as old people, while in the "I did inception to my wife to make her feel better but accidentally killed her!" one, it shows them as young people on the railway tracks.

That sounds confusing if you haven't seen the movie.