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Forboding Angel wrote:Wow. You're crazy.

No, you are. Right-wing, left-wing hardly capture the nuances of either side. The 2 way personal freedom-economic freedom graph does a little better. It's absurd to say "oh literally every 'left-wing' party is for controlling every aspect of people's lives' because many aren't.

You can thank your wonderful neighborhood washington liberals for that.

of course. the republican's record on civil liberties has been nothing short of excellent

you're probably going to say "but they're not conservative!!" or something, which is silly. don't try and make the world bend to your own definitions. use libertarian or something

Forboding Angel wrote:Are you aware of the fact that simply having a garage sale in the US could land you in prison?

Can you give some details please? What law, which circumstances?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Italy.html

Silvio Berlusconi, well known liberal, eh Forb?

Forboding Angel wrote:Because that image isn't a total load of bs at all... Left wing is NOT for personal freedoms. That one actually made me laugh.

Well it is if you mean the right to abort a child or stick your dick in some other guy's butt.

regardless the pointless discussion of left vs right, the USA are not new about cryptography restrictions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Goo ... estigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_ ... ent_status
the guys are just applying the "old" law, nothing new was introduced, if anything, recent laws are less restrictive than the past ones

and I subscribe myself to this statement:

Teutooni wrote:I fail to see how restricting access to OSS helps anyone. The people who need powerful encryption will get it SourceForge ban or no. Such bans only affect harmless civilians in those countries. ~~

EDIT: btw, there's not just USA blocking exports, there's some countries which block imports too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictio ... yptography

FLOZi wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Italy.html

Silvio Berlusconi, well known liberal, eh Forb?

goddamn lefters

berlusconi is a mess

i just recently read "gomorrah", a book written about the recent culmination of corrupt business and general disarray in napoli. garbage collection is subcontracted to the mafia, who then take said garbage and dump it in holes in the forest in the south of italy, poisoning farmland.

if the book is to have any credibility, it would indicate that anyone in any sort of position of power around there is corrupt; working for their own gain rather than the good of the country.

just to make sure i wasn't talking completely out of my ass (my only real previous exposure to berlusconi was seeing him sitting in nice seats at football matches) i checked out wiki, and goddamn... gotta scroll for a little while to get past the number of civil and criminal charges against this guy over his lifetime... not convicted, but it really makes you wonder, especially if you feel that the whole "criminal conspiracy" thing is true

also i lol'ed hard at this

In mid-May 2005, while opening the European Food Safety Authority in Parma (preferred over a Finnish location, after Berlusconi made an assertion of Finns "not knowing what prosciutto is")

Over the prosciutto comment, the Finnish pizza chain Kotipizza later came back with a new variety of pizza called Pizza Berlusconi, using smoked reindeer as the topping

lol go finland

-daily double-

FLOZi wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Italy.html

Silvio Berlusconi, well known liberal, eh Forb?

Flozi, you should know that american political parties are completely different than European parties.

Regardless, this attempt to stop OSS distribution is stupid. I'm annoyed by the fact that SF is being forced to acquiesce.

Flozi, you should know that american political parties are completely different than European parties.

yeah, they're a completely different flavour of criminals :D

Damn right. I swear 95% of our congress is crooked (in both parties, apparently being a scumbag has no political association). Course when you vote you know you're voting for a crook. You just hope that the guy you're voting for is less of a crook than the other guy.

US politics were doomed when John Reed died.

Re: Crookedness, not heard about the expenses scandal in britain then forb?

rofl, american exposure to the expense scandal was limited to the MP who claimed expenses on a moat, they never even heard about the Conservative MP who used them to buy a floating duck house

you are discussing internal differences between parties, while this is purely a thing for some externals (other countries). whole discussing about this is thus totally offtopic. of course, if you are a big organization (like the big, bad, everywhere present terrorists), you will not have a problem getting such software, in the worst case, getting it downloaded in an other country, if you cant use proxies or whatever.
this whole thing can only be a simple trade sanction, as it will effect normal users and small businesses the most. and the example with sf so clearly shows that... the restriction is enabled by default, and guess how many will actively change that? it will just result in 90+% of SF software being unavailable to most of the population of these counties.
of course that is not as effective like what israel does with gaza, but it will get more effective rapidly, as open source grows. it also costs the US nothing, and in the way they do it, it will cost them a tiny fraction of image, compared to a "real-live" trade sanction.
they successfully apply this technique since decades for big parts of africa (and probably other places), for a much broader palette of products (eg. electronics).

FLOZi wrote:US politics were doomed when John Reed died.

Re: Crookedness, not heard about the expenses scandal in britain then forb?

No I hadn't heard anything abotu it. The thing that is completely hard for me to understand is that all these other countries have liberals, conservatives, etc, but the values of your parties vs ours here in the states are completely different. It's very hard to follow.

Like from what I've seen of your guys conservative party is more or less a mixed bag of nutjobs that won't control over everything including where you shit the next time, which is essentially what our liberal party wants and ./mindfuck

This shit is really fucking confusing. It's like you guys using the metric system while we use a mix of standard and metric, it's completely different and I don't even understand the values of your political parties, they seem to be all over the map and it seems as though each party is extreme in some way whereas our parties are comprised of a gradient of one side to moderates where moderates and independents comprise the bulk of the country's voting populace.

Ehh screwit. There is a reason I O_o at you guys for not understanding american politics (the way that I and other americans do... you kinda have to live it to get the full grasp), it would be the same thing in reverse if we were discussing the EU. Course for the US it's made even worse because everything you hear is filtered through a media jockstrap one way or the other, and it's more or less the same over here concerning the rest of the world.

Not really sure what counts more,what politicians/countries/companies/individuals do or what is reported or not in the news.
If the EU news report all Americans are stupid it later on effects how the EU populace thinks of the US and eventually also effects what the US does or not.
It's like collecting evidence from a crime or an accident.
The 100% truth doesn't matter since we cant know it,what matters is the evidence we manage to collect and process about what happened.
How can news agencies possibly know what needs to be put in the spotlights the most?
They only know what people enjoy reading about or watching.

hoijui wrote:you are discussing internal differences between parties, while this is purely a thing for some externals (other countries). whole discussing about this is thus totally offtopic. of course, if you are a big organization (like the big, bad, everywhere present terrorists), you will not have a problem getting such software, in the worst case, getting it downloaded in an other country, if you cant use proxies or whatever.
this whole thing can only be a simple trade sanction, as it will effect normal users and small businesses the most. and the example with sf so clearly shows that... the restriction is enabled by default, and guess how many will actively change that? it will just result in 90+% of SF software being unavailable to most of the population of these counties.
of course that is not as effective like what israel does with gaza, but it will get more effective rapidly, as open source grows. it also costs the US nothing, and in the way they do it, it will cost them a tiny fraction of image, compared to a "real-live" trade sanction.
they successfully apply this technique since decades for big parts of africa (and probably other places), for a much broader palette of products (eg. electronics).

Absolutely spot on hoijui!

Forboding Angel wrote:

FLOZi wrote:US politics were doomed when John Reed died.

Re: Crookedness, not heard about the expenses scandal in britain then forb?

No I hadn't heard anything abotu it. The thing that is completely hard for me to understand is that all these other countries have liberals, conservatives, etc, but the values of your parties vs ours here in the states are completely different. It's very hard to follow.

Like from what I've seen of your guys conservative party is more or less a mixed bag of nutjobs that won't control over everything including where you shit the next time, which is essentially what our liberal party wants and ./mindfuck

This shit is really fucking confusing. It's like you guys using the metric system while we use a mix of standard and metric, it's completely different and I don't even understand the values of your political parties, they seem to be all over the map and it seems as though each party is extreme in some way whereas our parties are comprised of a gradient of one side to moderates where moderates and independents comprise the bulk of the country's voting populace.

Not really. Our Conservative party believes in reducing abortion rights, has a terrible record on gay rights, yet spouts nonsense about reducing the control of the state (in actual fact - cutting vital public sector jobs).

Historically the liberal party (now Liberal Democrats after joining with a a split off from the Labour party, the Social Democrats) was the party of 'free trade' and laissez faire economics, but since thatcher onwards the Conservatives have been fully committed to neo-liberalism, as have Labour since Blair (even since Kinnock). The liberals were also traditionally the party of social liberty compared to the conservatives who wished to maintain the current social order (Hard to draw comparisons on that one as class in the US is purely an economic construct with no aristocracy, the only aristocracy is wealth) which meant they were originally the party of the working class, at least those few members of it with the vote.

Labour changed all that and was fundamentally different, not just because of its economic outlook but the way it was built and influenced by the working class and trade union movement. The US never really had an analogue to the Labour party, at least not on the same scale of influence (Socialist Party of America would probably be the closest example).

However in a pattern repeated across Europe, all 'Conservative', 'Liberal', and 'Labour/Social Democrat/'Socialist'' parties are now essentially homogeneous in their economic, and in most cases political, goals. Though they like to blow up any minor differences in view as evidence that the system provides us with a real choice every 4 years - much like the US.

This reminds me of the time where in the last 10 years all sex toys were still banned in texas, dunno why.

Also
"Are you aware of the fact that simply having a garage sale in the US could land you in prison?"

I giggle cause i knew a neighbor that put a sign of garage sale on a light on the street and was fined 200 dollars.

And that one time in California they arrested the parents of a girl for having a lemonade stand and no certificate for the business.

Theyre trying to ban sodomy there too, even though that would actually mean banning anything other than male female penetrative sex, so oral sex will be illegal in Texas! Though really I think theyre only thinking of arse sex in some homophobic thing, even though more straight people have arse sex.