Same old theme

[bobthedinosaur]

Every one has a story for their own mod/game: I just recently heard about this guy's book the Artilect War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Ga ... nd_Terrans
Any ways it sounds familiar. I am wondering what other people opinion on the matter, since the last 2 decades has had a lot of big media events concerning runaway AI.

Also heres a interview on the nutjob:
http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/n ... gle+Reader

[Sabutai]

http://www.orionsarm.com has some very interesting sci-fi about this kind of stuff.

[oksnoop2]

I'm not sure what it is but he kind of looks like a ghostbuster.

[zwzsg]

The theme of Robots revolting against humans was invented as the word robot was coined, long before any robot was built or even feasible. It's sooo clich├® I can't believe future will follow this story. Future will be so unexpected we can't even imagine or describe it now. That or it'll be the same old as now, cause we're way past 2000 and I still don't have a flying car like promised in the sixties.

[bobthedinosaur]

Thats a nice point Z, but there is technology for flying cars, it just not economically and socially feasible. I mean they've played with VTOL technology since the 40's.

If you watch this guys crazy lectures he mainly focuses on the concept of continuing the moores law with quantum computing, which if quantum computing did follow through, would allow for some pretty powerful machines. And as that level gets closer to human processing powers is when people start to worry about how to deal with it. De Garis likes to assume that the human military industrial complex has so much momentum (esp when China and India are more neck to neck with the US) that they won't stop to examine the possibility and procedure for dealing with a runaway AI.

I guess I'm not so much interested in the regularity of this concept in books, plays, TV, and video games; as I am in what does it mean socially. Especially when it is easy to read both side of the strong AI argument and dismiss it as unconcerning.

[Gota]

His ideas are based on all countries becoming democracies in the next few decades(democracies don't fight democracies) thus allowing people to have true global impact on the future of AI as oppose to fragmented unchecked military AI development per country or world region with "national security" coming before any grand thoughts about the future of the human species.

[bobthedinosaur]

"democracies don't fight democracies" uuhh sure they do. War isn't over ideology, I mean it might make a good story for the soldiers you are sending to fight, but war is fought over economics, expansion, and free trade.

Any ways I am not so interested in his world governments' futurology, if you watch his projections he makes a lot of logical fallacies and assumptions, but I am more interested in how he thinks we are going to handle the "singularity" concept.

[Gota]

Well perhaps supply some examples of democracies that fought a war with each other?
The more democratic a country is the less chances it will wage war against another democracy...can you disprove this?
If your gonna claim for obvious fallacies(I'm not saying that claim is not true) in his arguments at least make sure you have some real counter examples.

[PicassoCT]

I cant wait to marry my sex-bot. Robosexuals are the supressed minority of the next century. We are not even seen as capable of loving another, just because some of us are in luve with inanimate objects, this gives you the right to make jokes over us, or say that our spooses dream of world domination. This is bendering the truth*.







They want to conquer the galaxy, worlds are for beginners.

[Sabutai]

Building ever faster and more intelligent machines is too rewarding. Singularity will happen and who knows what the AIs will do, maybe farm humans? We'll be like insects to them. All the AI needs is an internet connection. It could hack, earn money, hire people...

[PicassoCT]

It all comes down to the following question: Are the AIs paranoid or not? Seeing humanity is - its copy is going to be it to.

AI1: Ever heard those humans chatting on this mysterious 3d overworld? I ve seen pictures, and moved cameras through it, but i still cant believe it.
AI2: Is fukkin real, last week the pulled the plug in realworld on AI3, and it vannished midconversation.


So the only way to avoid a paranoid AI is to fight for there actuall rights now, long before we step into the mess called future, and have AI dissasembling labbeled as a equal crime to murder, and that AIs may be judged by a jury half AI, half human. Its about establishing political correctness before slavery is abolished, so now kneel down, kiss your pc and hope he remembers it, the day he is virused into thinking and has your working data in hand.

I formyself welcome our new robotic overlords.

[Gota]

If there will be super AI's in humanity's future an interesting question would be if to sustain an ever growing intellect and calculating abilities(and just itself as an intelligent being) an AI would needs to have some sort of parallel to human emotions....if that is a necessary part of an intellectual being's existence an AI might see us as it's creators,like we look at our old and helpless grandparents or parents.

I think even Hugo wrote about a third group which would try to fuse itself with machines...
I think that not only will it be so for us all but that this process has begone ever since we started using calculating machines to assist us and augment our lives perhaps one can even say it all began with primates being able to use tools to augment their abilities.

[bobthedinosaur]

Democracies that fight each other: well, what kind of a democracy? You could say ww1 had lots of democracies, that fought each other, but what is legitimized as a more true democracy is sometimes skewed. There have been plenty of countries with a democratic system, that have fought each other, there is no world alliance of Democracies.
here you go: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm


Anyhow a fused biotic and electronic, seems like it would be advantageous for the biotic but not so much for the electronics, and a transformation from biotic to electronic would probably be more beneficial, unless some balance of pros and cons could be achieved with being both biotic and electronic.

Another thing I don't see much, is if it was a gradual transition through the use of consumerism or other socially transitory methods, there might not be any major conflicts other than those concerning the fringes or the anti norm of technological development (ie: people who refuse to have apple ibrain transfusion, regardless of their normality).

[zwzsg]

More that half of the current human population would consider heresy the idea of a sentient machine, as only God can grant a soul. What I mean is, how can consider yourself bright enough to imagine as plausible a future where IA outperforms human, when so many of your human fellow, living in the same time in the same country, still believe every living being was handcrafted by God instead of evolving from lower form? Are they all idiots, and you the only ones with clarity? I'd say it's more likely that your fantasies are as delusional as theirs.

[PicassoCT]

You just are afraid that Kernel Panic would be labbeled as machine porn, zwzsg. And that Shodaown is never going to happen, and yes, if you think god is sitting inside our mums uterus, handcrafting each and every one of us, you miss that point were sience began.

Brb, visiting with my friends Testicles and Dick the local temple :)

[Panda]

You just are afraid that Kernel Panic would be labbeled as machine porn, zwzsg. And that Shodaown is never going to happen, and yes, if you think god is sitting inside our mums uterus, handcrafting each and every one of us, you miss that point were sience began.

Brb, visiting with my friends Testicles and Dick the local temple :)

Here's a good animation of the molecular machinery that helps one to understand all of the cool processes that DNA goes through when cells are replicating!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKjF7OumYo

I think that zwzsg may be referring to the fact that we don't understand all of the intricate processes that go into making a sentient being, just as we don't understand the whole story of how information pertaining to our existence is synthesized to where it creates humans. This fact makes it difficult to imagine that we could create a sentient being, even if there's a possibility that it could happen by accident as many scientific discoveries do.

[Gota]

Democracies that fight each other: well, what kind of a democracy? You could say ww1 had lots of democracies, that fought each other, but what is legitimized as a more true democracy is sometimes skewed. There have been plenty of countries with a democratic system, that have fought each other, there is no world alliance of Democracies.
here you go: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm

all those examples are retarded examples and none can compare to wars fought between demo and dicto ala thousands and millions of dead.
I mean ww2 germany is a democracy?lol, give me a break...

[Neddie]

He was elected.

[Gota]

He was elected.

but when he went to war Germany was not a democracy.

[PicassoCT]

Does the law apply if he is not explicitly named? Or is the discussion ovenover and the flamez have arrived?