Inception.

[momfreeek]

I figured the visual aspect of dreaming as a biproduct of the dream not as a stage created for the dream to exist in (a memory may lead to visualisation but the image is not necessarily the primary memory).

To the dreamer, a sparse backdrop is not a problem as anything will still come into focus. On film each scene must have a full backdrop (including detail unimportant to the story). Dreams on film should seem real just as dreams seem real. I found the simple subversions of reality (gravity changes and aggressively claustrophobic/open filming) compelling as methods to recreate some feelings of dreaming without using any blurry/psychadelia style fx.

I just watched Shutter Island today. Its almost a companion piece.

[momfreeek]

I figured the visual aspect of dreaming as a biproduct of the dream not as a stage created for the dream to exist in (a memory may lead to visualisation but the image is not necessarily the primary memory).

To the dreamer, a sparse backdrop is not a problem as anything will still come into focus. On film each scene must have a full backdrop (including detail unimportant to the story). Dreams on film should seem real just as dreams seem real. I found the simple subversions of reality (gravity changes and aggressively claustrophobic/open filming) compelling as methods to recreate some feelings of dreaming without using any blurry/psychadelia style fx.

I just watched Shutter Island today. Its almost a companion piece. Better than inception if you prefer a tight plot to explosions.

[Gota]

I figured the visual aspect of dreaming as a biproduct of the dream not as a stage created for the dream to exist in (a memory may lead to visualisation but the image is not necessarily the primary memory).

To the dreamer, a sparse backdrop is not a problem as anything will still come into focus. On film each scene must have a full backdrop (including detail unimportant to the story). Dreams on film should seem real just as dreams seem real. I found the simple subversions of reality (gravity changes and aggressively claustrophobic/open filming) compelling as methods to recreate some feelings of dreaming without using any blurry/psychadelia style fx.

I just watched Shutter Island today. Its almost a companion piece. Better than inception if you prefer a tight plot to explosions.

Shutter Island is nice,good performances.

[Panda]

I figured the visual aspect of dreaming as a biproduct of the dream not as a stage created for the dream to exist in (a memory may lead to visualisation but the image is not necessarily the primary memory).

To the dreamer, a sparse backdrop is not a problem as anything will still come into focus. On film each scene must have a full backdrop (including detail unimportant to the story). Dreams on film should seem real just as dreams seem real. I found the simple subversions of reality (gravity changes and aggressively claustrophobic/open filming) compelling as methods to recreate some feelings of dreaming without using any blurry/psychadelia style fx.

I just watched Shutter Island today. Its almost a companion piece. Better than inception if you prefer a tight plot to explosions.

Have you ever seen "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"? If so, did you like "Inception" as much as that movie?

[TradeMark]

'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' was quite bad actually... too much trying to confuse the viewer with messed up plot line.

It had some fun moments, but overall it was boring and annoying to watch, the end was disappointing, no plot surprises at all... Also halfway the movie it felt like its repeating same shit over and over again, i wanted to skip that shit.

Edit: Oh wait, there was one surprise near the end, but it wasnt all that interesting or important to the plot.

[Panda]

'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' was quite bad actually... too much trying to confuse the viewer with messed up plot line.

It had some fun moments, but overall it was boring and annoying to watch, the end was disappointing, no plot surprises at all...

I liked the circular plot. It's a different take on things as opposed to a traditional linear plot. Do you think that Inception had a lot of interesting plot twists?

[TradeMark]

Do you think that Inception had a lot of interesting plot twists?

Yeah, it was interesting movie...

[momfreeek]

'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' was quite bad actually... too much trying to confuse the viewer with messed up plot line.

I liked it. The plot followed the character unravelling the mystery and confusion was part of the experience. If it just started at the beginning of the timeline and showed things in order there would be nothing to figure out. In Inception the plan was laid out in the first 30mins. Then they followed the plan through. None of the complicated stuff got in the way of the main story so even the doziest viewer can't get lost.

Kauffman who wrote 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind', also wrote 'Being John Malkavich' and 'Adaptation' (the silliest, most brilliant of them all).

[Gota]

It's funny how in spotless mind they focused on deleting something bad as oppose to the more important ramification of the ability to delete memory, deleting some good experiance.
The idea you can go through the same positive experience over and over again, as oppose to constantly getting bored and needing something more, seems like a very appealing concept.

[Panda]

It's funny how in spotless mind they focused on deleting something bad as oppose to the more important ramification of the ability to delete memory, deleting some good experiance.
The idea you can go through the same positive experience over and over again, as oppose to constantly getting bored and needing something more, seems like a very appealing concept.

That does sound like a good idea. In the movie, "What Dreams May Come", they present some circumstances that are related to that issue when the wife becomes depressed and Robin Williams's character is trying to pull his wife out of Hell after she dies, but I can't think of a movie that directly addresses that concept. In "What Dreams May Come", you're sort of expected to figure out what's going on on you're own without being directly told what was happening. However, everyone has a slightly different opinion as to why or doesn't really know why the wife went to hell in the first place.

[PicassoCT]

because since dantes inferno, every 1000faced heroes journey for a female wents through hell (underworld/magic forrest/ mordor)?

[Gota]

Dream may come is a retarded movie though...It is in no way thought provoking....It was just visually pleasing.
It didnt really try to touch any deep concepts or ideas.

[momfreeek]

But if you remove your own memories will that person still be you? What is it that makes you desire experiences for this person in the future? Is it the same as wanting a good future for others (eg: your own children)? 'Moon' is probably my favourite film.

[TradeMark]

IMO "you" doesnt exist, "you" changes all the time, you just cant see it because it changes so slowly...

It is ironic how we are afraid to die, while we actually die all the time.

[Panda]

But if you remove your own memories will that person still be you?

IMO, yes, "you" are still "you" if your memories are removed. "You" changes in a way that resembles movement all the time, but just because you change, it doesn't mean that "you" are not still "you".

[momfreeek]

I don't know the answer to the question. But its an interesting question. Have you seen 'Moon'?

[hoijui]

'you' is manifold. some of its "faces" are static through live-time, some are inherently dynamic, and never the same in two different instants (of time?). and some.. you guessed it, are somewhere in-between.

maybe think of it this way... what can be abstracted, is usually going the static way, while what is lost during the abstraction is more dynamic.

[Machete234]

First of all the whole more time in dreams seemed like a bit too big of a "leap of faith".
This whole concept doesn't seem to be based on anything we know.

Thats no problem for me to believe at all because in dreams you can dream a lot in a few seconds so time is very relative.

How often did you have the climax of a dream exactly when the alarm clock was ringing?
So its possible that you dreamed that between 2 beeps maybe.

Why Wasn't Ellen page's character developed more(it really felt like a missed opportunity and the connection between Ellen's character and the rest of the group seemed very quick and not really explained or told properly,they were just suddenly all friends and stuff) and Leo's friend's character as well...Except Leo all characters seemed a bit bare and blank.

I think she was the best developed side character of all but I agree even though the film was over 2h long it was very "busy" so there is no time showing who the characters really are.
They rather built in some effects and some riddles that keep your brain activity at 99% through the whole film.

[Gota]

By the way the whole "we use a small % of our brain when awake" thing is really dumb.

[Machete234]

Its more like 10% at a time or something if everything was firering in your brain youd go insane?